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  1. Tony
    February 13, 2024 @ 12:08 pm

    Interesting and fascinating discussions and view points for a non-professional or a layperson like me!

    Overall it tells me how important and delicate is handling of childhood and how little we know about ourselves – our ego and personality. I guess its a life-long adventure in going back to the future!


    • Elizabeth Bader
      February 13, 2024 @ 1:54 pm

      Yes, that is our Work, is one way of thinking of it…


  2. David Hutchinson
    October 19, 2017 @ 2:50 pm

    What about this? The hole is in the ego, and through the hole enters a parasite…which at least anesthetizes “a specific aspect of our essence” (directly “below” hole)? This would be in line, say, with Morton Kelsey’s thinking?


    • Elizabeth Bader
      October 24, 2017 @ 2:26 pm

      Thanks for your comment Dave. It has set me thinking about the extent to which “holes” and the Theory of Holes deal with metaphors or with felt sense realities. I have two thoughts on this.

      In one sense the “holes” in the Theory of Holes is a felt sense reality. It literally feels like a hole in for example the chest. I have never felt or experienced a parasite in my chest for example as a lived reality in the same way.

      On the other hand there is an important sense in which the Theory of Holes really speaks to the way that personality and ego is merely a distorted version of essential qualities and essence. This again can be experienced as a lived reality.

      But at least in my experience the distortion or awareness of the deficiency or the distortion and its resolution are not always manifested specifically as a “hole.” And resolution does not always come from within the hole itself.

      This is a very interesting subject, and probably warrants a whole other article… Perhaps in days to come…



  3. Elizabeth Bader
    November 9, 2014 @ 11:37 am

    This is a very perceptive insight, Levon. You are quite right that in the case of narcissistic issues there is more of a flavor of things getting twisted from their secure base. In general, though, I think when Ali (Almaas) talks about the “holes” he means the sense of deficiency that covers or is the gateway to essence. My experience is that with narcissistic issues this “hole” is much more difficult to feel, actually, precisely because of how deep it is, and how ignorant we are of who we really are. Thank you for contributing such an interesting, substantive comment. E


  4. Levon dumont
    November 8, 2014 @ 9:18 am

    The part where ali says that the work on oral narcissism can be both vague,long and difficult seems similar to have wires crossed,rather than just a it vague because the motivations are all twisted up


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